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  • #5544
    mooch91
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    JOSH WHEELER

    Thanks.

    44:67:55:03:40:11
    Hardware: WT25G2H-0001 (it’s the HRC 400 in case that matters).

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    #5545
    Azervos3
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    010f2d

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    #5571
    Josh Wheeler
    Keymaster

    All on this thread,

    We have some firmware upgrades that we’re testing, we can upgrade your timers to the most recent as possible, we just need your timer’s MAC Address or the last six digits at least. Eventually the update will roll out to everyone automatically so you do not have to request it to get it if you don’t mind waiting.

    Here’s what I’m seeing with these latest versions.

    The Timer and the App both report the Sensor Delay fine, however, it only is reported once a program tries to run. It’s not ideal but hopefully it’s better enough for now. I’m told that this is possible to change, I just don’t know when/if it will make it into the firmware yet.

    As for an override of a physical sensor, this may be near impossible since this is an actual hardware feature, not just software and overriding it could cause more confusion than not. I’ll bring it up but can’t promise anything there.

    We appreciate your continued feedback and ideas, thanks to all who have helped make a contribution so far!

    *Icky Details*
    As Of Today…
    -Gen1 Orbit (WT-25) timers will be version 33.
    -Gen1 HydroRain (HRC-400) timers are a bit trickier. They are on 45 and they have Bluetooth enabled but we ran into issues with the Bluetooth chip with some phones and basically did an about face on that. The path now to upgrade is first a downgrade to 31 which disables the Bluetooth then we can upgrade to the latest Gen1 Orbit firmware. There’s very little benefit, it was intended for contractors to be able to program the timer from the phone without WiFi, since yours is already connected to WiFi the Bluetooth isn’t necessary and future pairing is done over WiFi. IIF YOUR TIMER IS WORKING FINE & YOU DON’T HAVE A RAIN SENSOR, I’d just let it ride and not worry about it, you’re not missing out on anything.
    -Gen2 Oribt/HydroRain (WT-25G2) timers will be version 38 (Yes, there’s overlap in the numbers for the Gen1 & Gen2 so we need to know which one it is and we can tell that by your MAC Address.)
    *End*

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    #5598
    mooch91
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    JOSH WHEELER

    I believe mine is the Gen 2 HRC 400 and I moved from 0023 to 0037 this evening. You state that 0038 is the latest. Is that update pending, or is 0037 the latest and greatest?
    Thanks.

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    #5621
    Josh Wheeler
    Keymaster

    MOOCH91

    I pushed v38 to your timer, there were some connection improvements along with a few others so I think it’s worth it.

    I noticed that you had a manual rain delay set, it had two days remaining. The firmware update clears the delay so I reset a manual rain delay but I can only set it to one day from here. You’ll need to clear it and set a new one if you need more time. Sorry if that buggers things up for you. If you need me to do more let me know.

    Thanks!

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    #5625
    mooch91
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    JOSH WHEELER

    Thanks much. I will keep an eye on it. I will reset delay, no biggie. It’s been pouring here in PA for the last couple of weeks, so I haven’t watered in a while. It would be great to get that functionality to be able to see if the rain sensor has tripped (outside of a program) so I don’t have to keep resetting the delay. 🙂

    Thanks again.

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    #5977
    jkirkmd
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    My request is fairly simple – I want my Orbit b-hyve rain delay to ONLY work with my Orbit wireless rain sensor. The weather affecting our lot is often different than the weather a few blocks away, so depending on a local (or personal) weather station to determine a rain delay is a non-starter. What settings do I need to select/deselect to allow my timer to ONLY have a rain delay as determined by my rain sensor?

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    #5991
    Josh Wheeler
    Keymaster

    JKIRKMD

    Good question and a common scenario.

    If you are using the Smart Watering feature and you want to continue to do so but do not want automatic rain delays the easiest way would be to go to the Device Detail screen the scroll down to Weather Adjustments and tap on it, then adjust the required percentage up to 100% and the Amount Forecast up to something silly like 5″.

    This will, in effect, disable the automatic rain delay unless you have a flood of biblical proportions hit your house.

    If you are not using Smart Watering features and do not want automatic rain delays then you can go to the Device Detail screen and turn off Smart Watering, this will disable all smart features for the entire system. If you would like to get suggested rain delays you will then go to the Notifications screen and turn on notifications for rain delays; you can then set them yourself from the App.

    Hope this helps!

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    #72015
    TimB
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    Josh or whomever at Orbit: Can you please reread this thread and update us on what if any progress might have been made to address the issue with Bhyve not working with some rain sensors? You mention in replies that Orbit would address it but I don’t see a conclusion. A possible firmware fix is mentioned to be tested by volunteers but I don’t see a conclusion on that either. It seemed that users had determined that wired sensors of any brand may create an impedance issue with Bhyve and not operate properly and cause short cycling. What’s the scoop?

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    #72024
    Josh Wheeler
    Keymaster

    TIMB

    My post on 8/2 is the last official update.

    But just to reiterate a bit…

    As of now, all B-hyve underground timers and the App for iOS and Android function properly (will show on the app and timer that there is a sensor delay in effect) with Orbit Rain Sensors. Other brand sensors I have not tested and can’t vouch for but I’d imagine they’d work too.

    Two things on the list of wishes I am tracking:

    1. Notify the owner of a sensor delay as soon as it is triggered instead of waiting for a scheduled program to start. This is still a possibility but not currently a priority.

    2. Ability to override a sensor delay from the app. This is currently not possible on the timer itself, they just don’t work that way. Will we ever change this? I’d like to see it change and will be a proponent for it but there’s a lot ahead of it.

    Thanks!

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    #76771
    calvin
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    Hi
    I purchased a B-hyve WiFi timer a few months ago, and it was bundled with an orbit rain/freeze sensor PN 57069-20 Rev E.
    I found the rain sensor could not work reliably (with its attached wire, no extension), like it would disabled the watering when it was completely dry, or still watered when it had rained for a few days. I am not sure if the timer needed a newer firmware to resolve this problem. Can you advise please? Thanks.

    MAC Address: 44:67:55:03:d9:7d
    Firmware Version: 0038
    Hardware Version: WT25G2-0001
    Wi-Fi Version: 0

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    #76801
    Stephen
    Keymaster

    @Calvin your timer is actually on the current firmware, so I don’t believe that the issue is with the firmware. It sounds like you may have an issue somewhere else. the location of the timer should prevent it running if it has rained in the past few days, unless the rain was very minimal. I would suggest contacting our team in Australia and they may be able to assist you. Here are their contact details:
    ORBIT AUSTRALIA
    207 Bannister Road
    Canning Vale WA 6155
    Phone: 089-455-1677

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    #78034
    jseymour
    Participant

    On October 11, 2018 JOSH WHEELER wrote:

    As of now, all B-hyve underground timers and the App for iOS and Android function properly (will show on the app and timer that there is a sensor delay in effect) with Orbit Rain Sensors. Other brand sensors I have not tested and can’t vouch for but I’d imagine they’d work too.

    I can confirm everything works as Josh previously described on the timer and the iOS app, using a RainBird MiniClik.

    * If the sensor’s tripped and a cycle starts, watering will be suspended and that delay reflected on the timer and in the app

    * If a program’s running and the sensor trips, watering will be suspended and that so-noted on the timer and in the app

    Of particular note: Watering will be suspended, not the program. In other words: The program will start, or continue to run, but no actual watering will occur. If the sensor deactivates while the timer’s in a program, watering will commence or resume at whatever point in which the program is at that time.

    On October 11, 2018 JOSH WHEELER wrote:

    Two things on the list of wishes I am tracking:

    1. Notify the owner of a sensor delay as soon as it is triggered instead of waiting for a scheduled program to start. This is still a possibility but not currently a priority.

    2. Ability to override a sensor delay from the app. This is currently not possible on the timer itself, they just don’t work that way. Will we ever change this? I’d like to see it change and will be a proponent for it but there’s a lot ahead of it.

    It would be very nice if one got some kind of indicator or notification the rain sensor was activated. If Orbit isn’t going to come up with something I suppose I’ll acquire the Necessary Parts and add an indicator to the rain sensor, itself. (24VAC relay. LED. Small project box. Trivial wiring. Done. Heck: Could easily add a local disable/override switch while I’m at it.)

    As for overriding a sensor delay: I suspect that probably is possible, there’s just no user input mechanism, other than disabling the sensor entirely, to accomplish it. As we used to say when I was in the software design field: “It’s just software. It can be changed.” Somebody just has to decide it’s an important enough feature.

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    #78069
    Stephen
    Keymaster

    Thank you for the feedback @jseymour, I will pass this on to my devs.

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